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hello everyone its Martin Willis with

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the everything else show and welcome

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tonight's guest is fascinating talk to

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him I think was like a year ago first

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somewhere around there

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his name is Sultan Estevan he lives in

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my old stomping grounds out in

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California we actually just found out we

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only lived a few miles apart where he

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lives now was only a few miles away from

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where I was anyway and we're gonna be

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talking about all kinds of things a I am

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very interested in and all that so real

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excited to have the guests and Sultan

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how are you welcome to the show oh I'm

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doing good thank you for having ads can

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you tell us hang on just one second I

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have something I have to change right

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here let's see okay can you tell us what

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transhumanism is first of all that's

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very interesting to me and I want to I

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have a lot of questions about that

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absolutely so um transhumanism is a

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social movement of a few million people

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around the world may be larger now and

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we want to use science and technology to

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radically modify the human being and

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also to modify the human experience but

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it can be anything from exoskeleton

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suits to get disabled people out of a

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wheelchair it can be ships inside your

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brains that allow you to telepathically

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connect with somebody else it can be

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driverless cars if you want to go that

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far but usually it's really radical

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technology gene therapies that allow you

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to grow an extra arm or something of

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that nature that's what transhumanism

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real out and is there any of that that

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is is going on right now I know I

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watched a show where you said you had a

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chip in your finger I don't know if you

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still do but uh is there any of that

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that is in progress right now an

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enormous amount is in progress in fact

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every it seems like every two months

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this the amount of Technology out there

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doubles so I have a tiny chip and plan

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about the size of a grain of rice it's

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so small you can put it in with the

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syringe and it opens my front door you

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can do things like give business cards

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just by touching somebody's phone in

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fact my

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sends out a text message because I was

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running in 2016 as a presidential

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candidate mine said win in 2016 so if I

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enter a room and someone got close

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enough to me their phone will get an

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automatic text message they of course

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have to have the right software that

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said win in 2016

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um but you know that that's just the

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tiny type of technology to stop they're

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really working on this for example

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genetic editing um Time magazine you

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know even though Donald Trump won Person

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of the Year

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but the top five was genetic editing

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this last year and that's because

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they're already you know Chinese are

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working on modifying the embryo you know

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genetic editing we also have the

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possibility to maybe eliminate malaria

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because we can genetically edit it some

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mosquitoes and then they can kind of

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spread and then all of sudden you will

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only have a certain type of mosquito

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that doesn't breed malaria so these

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technologies already exist and of course

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you know about 1/2 million people around

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the world already have some sort of

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brain implant mostly it's for disability

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to help with Parkinson's Alzheimer's a

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lot of them are cochlear implants you

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know deafness doesn't really exist

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anymore if you have a technology we can

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give you a hearing aid that now connects

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to your hearing nerve and basically here

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you know what we hear so all these

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transhumans technologies are basically

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already here the real question is one of

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the next ones coming like AI and five or

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ten yeah the one thing that that scares

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changes and higher intelligence and that

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also is something that scares me a

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little bit about IAI as well as you know

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as as history has shown us you know when

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there's a higher intelligence that

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higher intelligence usually takes over

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regulations however a lot of this

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intelligence yes I agree with you like

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I'm not sure I want an intelligence that

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as smart as a human being or far smarter

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than a human being on planet Earth

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the same thing with genetic editing yes

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I would like to augment the intelligence

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of my children but I don't want my

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neighbor having a child that's twice as

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smart as my kid biologically or just

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inequality can occur so surely some of

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this is going to need a lot of

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consideration you know a lot of my

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campaigning has been based on as a

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political candidate it's been based on

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just trying to spread a message that a

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lot of the you know the politicians who

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have been elected won't touch these

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subjects because they're so thorny

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they're so challenging and everybody

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gets like oh my god the world's gonna

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end in in many ways it's true humanity

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might end either through artificial

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intelligence or this genetic editing

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because you know we're entering sort of

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the Star Wars phase where is it is being

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a biological human being the most

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functional type of entity that should be

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on planet earth and what if we can make

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ourselves superior to that and these are

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very very thorny questions I don't have

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all the answers but I try to spread the

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questions because I think asking the

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questions is very important well yes you

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know another thing it kind of reminds me

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a little bit of you know juicing in

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athletes in a way because you know they

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have an upper advantage you know I said

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jokingly before they should make it

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mandatory that everybody has to take you

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know steroids or whatever it is that you

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know so it's an even playing field again

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so but it's kind of you know in a way

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if someone has an upper edge over the

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other one and those are going to be only

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the high wealthy people aren't there

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yeah I mean that's way it looks right

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now well and and that is the truth and

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that is why I have said again and again

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whatever campaign I'm running is that

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to that and therefore I want to protect

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mother and all these other things

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intelligence and become super great you

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know whatever transhumanists entities

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their intelligence so it's 5 times ours

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these technologies and that way as a

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society we can move forward because I do

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love the technologies but I would hate

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it if I wasn't this guy out there on the

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mountaintop calling for this trans

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future and all sudden becomes a

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dystopian future and now only a certain

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segment of the population has it we must

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tread very carefully to make sure that

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everybody has access to all these

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radical technologies coming out right

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right what about I've heard I've heard

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it said that the first person to live to

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say a thousand years old has been born

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already you know I mean that's just that

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I think that's someone else else in

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California working on longevity which I

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that you could live forever virtually or

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whatever it is you said I'm not I don't

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could do something with the organs it's

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the brain you know that you really

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opinion and you know and I'm an optimist

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we're on the cutting edge of the next 10

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to 15 years segments of the population

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are gonna reach this kind of escape

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velocity where all the Sun we can now

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genetic editing or even just Bionic

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hearts and Bionic organs you know most

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people die from Oregon failure so if you

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can stop that fit that Oregon from

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failing either through a not you know a

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camp pancreas that doesn't have cancer

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do we keep our minds from you know

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cell technology and especially genetic

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editing comes into the picture and I

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have no doubt in my mind that we're

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going to be able to not only stop aging

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20 years when you say the first person's

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built for a you know is gonna live a

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thousand years is already born I would

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wager all my limbs I could wager all my

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money I would wager everything on that I

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mean I there's no question in my mind

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that anyone under 50 barring a major

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tragedy or barring something like cancer

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in the next 10 years is going to have

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that opportunity to live that long again

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the bigger question is actually the

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social one which is will governments

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allow it will the rich allow it we have

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an overpopulation problem then which we

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already do these are kinds of issues

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that are the bigger grand the issues but

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hundreds of millions of dollars have

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started pouring into this life extension

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field and it's not just one way you're

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not going to make the human being live

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longer through a pill it's going to be

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through a multitude of factors Bionic

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therapies which people are already

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trying you know stem cell injections

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which now are commonplace for a huge

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assortment analogies so I mean we we are

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on it we just got to keep out of or any

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world wars make sure the earth keeps

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this trajectory economically and

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probably in ten to fifteen years you

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will be hearing so much about the this

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life extension or immortality movement

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because it'll be very rare that people

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die if we have the opportunity to use

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things like genetic editing to

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completely rewrite our code I mean

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people die a third of everybody you know

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dies from heart disease so it makes

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perfect sense to spend a trillion

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dollars to develop an artificial heart

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which some companies are already doing

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now you know and of course then the

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third of people don't die from heart

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disease now you know so the bigger

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question is how do we get our brain to

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live indefinitely because at some point

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the biological if we can't renew it

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through stem cells or something then it

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gets old we'll get Alzheimer's and

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nobody wants to live forever with

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Parkinson's or something like that and

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that's we're uploading our mind or with

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things like what Alan musk is doing

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with the neural lace where you connect

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directly to the cloud and that will also

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come but that'll be more like 20 or 30

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miles

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Wow you know you it's funny you

305
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mentioned the government you know I

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thought of that too and and part of the

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reason I thought of that is for instance

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social security people live say a

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hundred years or on average now how are

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we going to support that you know is the

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working age you know everything could be

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affected socially like the the age of

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retirement could be extended but then

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there'll be people left behind that

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won't be evil you know able to afford it

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or whatever you know I mean so there's

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all that you know about those

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implications as far as money goes in

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longevity well and you know I mean

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that's one of the things that I'm trying

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to do is not just tell people how cool

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the technology is become up a social

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solutions because you know it's not it's

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it's nothing just like what kind of job

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you have it's like are people gonna get

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married if they're gonna live a thousand

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years are they gonna have children if

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they're gonna you know with what they

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have chilled in the first five hundred

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years like it changes our institutions

331
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dramatically but I think the one thing

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that is definitely gonna happen and

333
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you're already seeing it is like you

334
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know driverless trucks are gonna wipe

335
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out all the trucking industry there's

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four million truckers in America what

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are these people gonna do you know and

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then what are they gonna do we have

339
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robot waitresses or waiters you know

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what are we gonna do when all the banks

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become and this is already happening

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so no in my opinion probably within

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fifteen years seventy five percent of

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jobs will be replaced by technology or

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robots or AI so at some point the

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government has to step in because it's

347
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not just social security you can't just

348
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their social security is definitely not

349
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gonna make it the real question is do we

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provide a basic income or do robots pay

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taxes or whatever you know all these

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different types of scenarios I support a

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basic income in my campaign but I also

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realize that you know I don't believe

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capitalism can survive in the form it is

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when just a group of conglomerates owned

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all the robots that do all the jobs and

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so we have to make something so there's

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no revolution because there will be a

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revolution this is why I said the main I

361
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think main factor going against

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transhumanism is do governments around

363
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the world allowed transhumanism to

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continue because it does mean Lee

365
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our historic institutions you know like

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marriage like having children like

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working I mean we're gonna have to get

368
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used to a very new type of American

369
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dream if we have bodies I live forever

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and we also don't have to work because

371
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there are no jobs I mean this is very

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different different world

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and along that along that same way that

374
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same line of what you're talking about

375
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here what about say third world

376
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countries how can they how can they

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possibly survive through something like

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this well you know the good news is that

379
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as technology comes out it comes out

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even more quickly than it ever did

381
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before you know that at this point many

382
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third world countries in Africa don't

383
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have clean water but almost everybody

384
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even if you live in a mud hut has some

385
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type of cell phone and that's been one

386
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of the interesting developments about

387
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capitalism is that a lot of people are

388
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still very hungry but they might have

389
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access to a kind of phone in fact I have

390
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this little phone my three-year-old

391
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daughter carries it around and just

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plays where that doesn't work anymore

393
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but it's amazing that this kind of

394
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technology you know is available

395
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probably still does work and we throw

396
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that stuff away now because it's it's

397
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not even worth pennies and yet everybody

398
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around the world has it but not

399
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everybody has food or clean water so you

400
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know how I wrote I'm still focused more

401
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on getting them the basics and that's

402
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why I think a basic income or something

403
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better would sporting but I think

404
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they're gonna have access to the tram

405
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seamless technology I think that will

406
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that into vaccines and stuff like that

407
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will come because it gets so cheap that

408
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they'll have access but you know getting

409
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clean water and food that that's still

410
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very hard that's right yeah that's right

411
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so what are some you talked about

412
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driverless cars I know you know I I saw

413
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even a number of years ago the Google

414
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car I think it was out there and I think

415
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that's I'm all for driverless cars I

416
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know a lot of people are scared to death

417
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they say they'd never sit in one and all

418
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that but eventually the technology is

419
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going to get so great that insurance

420
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companies are going to want to have

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driverless cars because there won't be

422
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any accidents

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hi well eat even more importantly as

424
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many insurance companies are right now a

425
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little bit skeptical the driverless car

426
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because they know that they're gonna go

427
00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:05,439
out of business I mean that you know the

428
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great thing about driverless cars is

429
00:16:10,619 --> 00:16:08,379
their accent rate is so much

430
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dramatically less for example Mothers

431
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Against Drunk Driving one of the largest

432
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nonprofits in America everybody knows it

433
00:16:17,369 --> 00:16:15,910
because you know they've been fighting

434
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against drunk driving while drunk

435
00:16:20,189 --> 00:16:18,730
driving is gonna go the way of the

436
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dinosaurs there's not gonna be any more

437
00:16:23,790 --> 00:16:22,059
drunk driving because people are they'll

438
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be drunk in the back of the car but the

439
00:16:27,660 --> 00:16:25,839
cars won't and it's the same thing with

440
00:16:29,460 --> 00:16:27,670
the insurance companies were at some

441
00:16:31,470 --> 00:16:29,470
point it's not gonna even make sense to

442
00:16:34,079 --> 00:16:31,480
insure a car more than just a basic

443
00:16:35,460 --> 00:16:34,089
because accidents are so much lower with

444
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driverless cars and we're talking like

445
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seventy eighty percent lower and they're

446
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gonna get far better so you know I mean

447
00:16:44,910 --> 00:16:41,529
we're talking again against the

448
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revolution in terms of transportation

449
00:16:48,540 --> 00:16:46,809
and I've just had this conversation with

450
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a friend you know we're for me to fly

451
00:16:54,509 --> 00:16:51,999
from San Francisco to LA you know the

452
00:16:56,609 --> 00:16:54,519
flight is only about 60 70 minutes but

453
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to actually leave my house get to the

454
00:17:01,410 --> 00:16:58,689
airport you know get on the plane go

455
00:17:03,210 --> 00:17:01,420
through security then go land take the

456
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taxi and finally get some ID I Drive

457
00:17:06,269 --> 00:17:04,689
this car at night we'll take six or

458
00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:06,279
seven hours or get in the back sleep

459
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instruct it and it'll take the exact

460
00:17:11,429 --> 00:17:10,240
same amount of time except you'll have

461
00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:11,439
your car there and won't have to rent a

462
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taxi so these are you know these are

463
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some of the things that I think a lot of

464
00:17:19,019 --> 00:17:16,929
people don't think about what I think

465
00:17:20,210 --> 00:17:19,029
wow the the miracle driverless car is

466
00:17:23,399 --> 00:17:20,220
gonna hurt Airlines too especially

467
00:17:25,919 --> 00:17:23,409
short-range ones yeah anything has an

468
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effect you know no matter what it is

469
00:17:32,039 --> 00:17:28,449
uber you know you you name it any new

470
00:17:35,700 --> 00:17:32,049
technology any new idea well it's going

471
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to disrupt someone or something but but

472
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I think it's it's up I actually can't

473
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wait for the driverless car because I'm

474
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getting tired of driving but you know I

475
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:45,220
mean sitting in traffic that won't be

476
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happening hardly you know no traffic

477
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will disappear we people and drive this

478
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car won't look at an accident and that's

479
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one of the main issues when you're on a

480
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freeway you see an accident everyone

481
00:18:00,180 --> 00:17:58,690
slows down well and you know an AI

482
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vehicle is gonna go right past that

483
00:18:03,419 --> 00:18:01,870
won't think about that's a that's a I

484
00:18:06,899 --> 00:18:03,429
never thought of that and I never

485
00:18:10,450 --> 00:18:06,909
actually thought about the drunk driving

486
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aspect of it and I forget I've read

487
00:18:18,159 --> 00:18:13,820
statistics at one time how many how many

488
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people die per year from alcohol it's a

489
00:18:23,169 --> 00:18:20,659
lot them yeah it there's over a hundred

490
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thousand alcohol-related deaths with

491
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cars every year it's around the planet

492
00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:28,039
America's something like thirty I'm not

493
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I think there's around thirty eight

494
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thousand car deaths every year in

495
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America I'm not Germany are

496
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alcohol-related but it's a huge huge

497
00:18:37,919 --> 00:18:36,799
problem impairment is joining this is

498
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you know when you talk about

499
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humanitarian causes people who who put

500
00:18:45,370 --> 00:18:43,070
forth the the you know driverless car

501
00:18:46,810 --> 00:18:45,380
really doing us a service I have two

502
00:18:48,970 --> 00:18:46,820
young children I don't want them to get

503
00:18:50,529 --> 00:18:48,980
into a I don't want them to you know

504
00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:50,539
worry about driving and that's gonna be

505
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a great a great thing for a lot of right

506
00:19:00,850 --> 00:18:55,220
um I had a gentleman that helped me out

507
00:19:02,049 --> 00:19:00,860
with this with my website and he you had

508
00:19:04,779 --> 00:19:02,059
a couple of questions he wanted me to

509
00:19:08,049 --> 00:19:04,789
ask San Basel is his name and he had a

510
00:19:10,029 --> 00:19:08,059
couple questions he wanted me to ask you

511
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:10,039
and one of them what are the risks of

512
00:19:13,539 --> 00:19:13,010
transhumanism nothing as well without

513
00:19:18,009 --> 00:19:13,549
risk

514
00:19:21,279 --> 00:19:18,019
so there has to be something well you

515
00:19:24,460 --> 00:19:21,289
know to be honest with you uh for me

516
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,470
right now the largest risk is that we

517
00:19:28,289 --> 00:19:26,480
live in a very religious nation and a

518
00:19:30,639 --> 00:19:28,299
lot of religious people worry that

519
00:19:32,769 --> 00:19:30,649
transhumanism is the work of the devil

520
00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:32,779
or the work of something that's the

521
00:19:38,159 --> 00:19:35,809
Antichrist like or end times and I worry

522
00:19:40,330 --> 00:19:38,169
that people might want to shut down

523
00:19:41,860 --> 00:19:40,340
transhumanist or you know I built my

524
00:19:43,470 --> 00:19:41,870
futurist career off my novel to

525
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:43,480
transhumance wager which pits

526
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:45,440
fundamental religious people against

527
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:47,690
these ultra radical scientists who are

528
00:19:53,230 --> 00:19:50,240
trying to make us live indefinitely and

529
00:19:55,210 --> 00:19:53,240
induce technology as this great enhancer

530
00:19:57,009 --> 00:19:55,220
but we live in a country where a lot of

531
00:19:59,769 --> 00:19:57,019
those technologies are very dangerous

532
00:20:02,440 --> 00:19:59,779
you know our vice president has you know

533
00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:02,450
said genetic editing is is really it is

534
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:04,370
dangerous and they know these kinds of

535
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:07,010
things so will they allow it or will

536
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:08,450
there be civil strife will there be

537
00:20:13,450 --> 00:20:11,090
riots in the street I worry that that is

538
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,460
gonna set society back very far you know

539
00:20:17,409 --> 00:20:15,200
we've had this historically happen work

540
00:20:19,330 --> 00:20:17,419
and you know in the Renaissance the

541
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:19,340
scientists were burned and stuff like so

542
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:20,090
I think

543
00:20:23,380 --> 00:20:21,650
me a lot of the great challenge is

544
00:20:26,620 --> 00:20:23,390
trying to convince religious people that

545
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:26,630
this is just an uber form of health care

546
00:20:31,779 --> 00:20:29,360
it's not in any way against religion

547
00:20:34,210 --> 00:20:31,789
it's actually perhaps what you know God

548
00:20:36,730 --> 00:20:34,220
had intended people to want to create

549
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:36,740
with the tools of their hands and them

550
00:20:40,060 --> 00:20:38,450
but that's a very hard thing to say

551
00:20:42,190 --> 00:20:40,070
because a lot of people may say you know

552
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:42,200
wow modifying the human being is not

553
00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:44,240
something we're supposed to do so I

554
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:46,370
think that's for me the biggest danger

555
00:20:50,649 --> 00:20:48,320
because if Congress gets together and

556
00:20:52,450 --> 00:20:50,659
shuts down transhumanism like they you

557
00:20:53,710 --> 00:20:52,460
know me as soon as genetic editing came

558
00:20:55,419 --> 00:20:53,720
out two years ago they said let's put a

559
00:20:57,690 --> 00:20:55,429
moratorium on it just like we put a

560
00:21:00,130 --> 00:20:57,700
moratorium on stem cells yeah you know

561
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,140
george w bush did that for seven years -

562
00:21:04,539 --> 00:21:02,480
presidency it turns out now stem cells

563
00:21:06,610 --> 00:21:04,549
is the one of the most used best

564
00:21:08,649 --> 00:21:06,620
medicines of the 21st century

565
00:21:10,269 --> 00:21:08,659
except we lost seven years of an perhaps

566
00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:10,279
the hundreds of thousands of lives so

567
00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:12,200
this for me is that is a dangerous

568
00:21:17,169 --> 00:21:14,840
conflict with no easy answer except to

569
00:21:19,810 --> 00:21:17,179
try to make transhumanism a less loaded

570
00:21:21,399 --> 00:21:19,820
word or less loaded contract more

571
00:21:23,649 --> 00:21:21,409
healthcare oriented right and the one

572
00:21:26,830 --> 00:21:23,659
thing I think about more than anything

573
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:26,840
as far as say artificial intelligence

574
00:21:34,299 --> 00:21:31,520
and some type of transhumanism almost

575
00:21:37,899 --> 00:21:34,309
like Bionic I'm thinking is the

576
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:37,909
super-soldier you know military I think

577
00:21:45,399 --> 00:21:40,250
more than anyone they're gonna want to

578
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:45,409
get you know involved in this well yeah

579
00:21:51,639 --> 00:21:47,450
and I have been consulting with the US

580
00:21:54,060 --> 00:21:51,649
Navy and I can tell you that artificial

581
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:54,070
intelligence is a significant kind of

582
00:22:00,010 --> 00:21:56,960
worry because we have this ability of a

583
00:22:02,350 --> 00:22:00,020
machine to maybe send viruses across all

584
00:22:04,659 --> 00:22:02,360
the computers in the world take over

585
00:22:06,490 --> 00:22:04,669
power grids take over water grids take

586
00:22:08,590 --> 00:22:06,500
over stoplights and major cities cause

587
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:08,600
havoc and traffic and things like that

588
00:22:12,970 --> 00:22:11,210
and that's it that's a national security

589
00:22:14,919 --> 00:22:12,980
issue in fact that's a global security

590
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:14,929
issue Terminator is not just some grazy

591
00:22:19,060 --> 00:22:17,330
sci-fi movie terminators a very real

592
00:22:21,580 --> 00:22:19,070
thing to worry about and I worry about I

593
00:22:23,980 --> 00:22:21,590
think a lot of the other experts worry

594
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:23,990
about it and so I think you know super

595
00:22:27,639 --> 00:22:25,490
soldiers kind of goes along with that

596
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,649
this idea that I don't know if I want

597
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,080
armed drones in the sky controlled by

598
00:22:33,650 --> 00:22:32,000
the government watching my every move

599
00:22:36,050 --> 00:22:33,660
able to send

600
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,060
missile into my house from you know 80

601
00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:38,640
miles away and yet in many ways that's

602
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:41,070
already the state of lie you know of

603
00:22:44,810 --> 00:22:42,570
living that we have should we have a

604
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:44,820
ride or something in California you

605
00:22:48,590 --> 00:22:46,650
could very very quickly see the National

606
00:22:51,140 --> 00:22:48,600
Guard send out drones and those kinds of

607
00:22:53,540 --> 00:22:51,150
things could happen so I agree like

608
00:22:56,510 --> 00:22:53,550
unfortunately if we want to stay on top

609
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:56,520
from a military perspective then we also

610
00:22:59,900 --> 00:22:57,930
don't want to let the Chinese do it

611
00:23:01,730 --> 00:22:59,910
first or the Russians to do it first so

612
00:23:04,370 --> 00:23:01,740
we're kind of in this terrible catch-22

613
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:04,380
where you know it's forward with the

614
00:23:09,290 --> 00:23:06,810
military in transhumanist terms in order

615
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,300
to you know quote protect ourselves from

616
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:12,000
other you know countries that might use

617
00:23:17,780 --> 00:23:14,730
this technology unwisely and endangered

618
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:17,790
right Sam all also has this question

619
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:20,130
here what will happen to those people

620
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:22,410
that do not want to get technically

621
00:23:29,780 --> 00:23:27,930
involved or evolved well I have always

622
00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:29,790
suggested that we should completely let

623
00:23:36,530 --> 00:23:33,480
everybody have 100% freedom not to do it

624
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:36,540
and you know I feel like I don't know if

625
00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:37,890
they would become sort of like the Amish

626
00:23:42,830 --> 00:23:40,710
or something like that but as a

627
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:42,840
libertarian you know I feel very very

628
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,730
strongly that everyone should have a

629
00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:46,320
choice what they choose they want to get

630
00:23:49,550 --> 00:23:47,910
a chip like me they can if they don't

631
00:23:53,030 --> 00:23:49,560
they don't if they want to drive their

632
00:23:54,620 --> 00:23:53,040
own cars they can you know those are

633
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:54,630
kinds of things that are very important

634
00:23:58,130 --> 00:23:55,890
to me especially to make sure this

635
00:24:01,580 --> 00:23:58,140
transition to this transhumance age goes

636
00:24:03,230 --> 00:24:01,590
over smoothly but I also understand like

637
00:24:05,270 --> 00:24:03,240
if you want to get a corporate job and

638
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:05,280
you're not in social media it's very

639
00:24:08,620 --> 00:24:07,110
difficult to get a corporate job in

640
00:24:10,820 --> 00:24:08,630
social media you you have to be

641
00:24:13,330 --> 00:24:10,830
represented already on the internet and

642
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:13,340
that's sort of our the way the world has

643
00:24:18,140 --> 00:24:15,930
evolved is that if you're not a part of

644
00:24:21,260 --> 00:24:18,150
what's happening technologically and

645
00:24:23,660 --> 00:24:21,270
socially then it's increasingly hard to

646
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:23,670
get a good job and I saw you know I

647
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,930
think people should always have that

648
00:24:28,490 --> 00:24:26,880
freedom but I would be very surprised if

649
00:24:30,140 --> 00:24:28,500
a lot of people did not take a lot

650
00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:30,150
especially a lot of the medical upgrades

651
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:32,370
that are gonna come and be like you know

652
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:35,130
refusing your arm got chopped off in in

653
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:36,930
a war zone or in a car accident and not

654
00:24:40,610 --> 00:24:38,850
taking the robotic arm which can already

655
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,620
grab beers which can already play the

656
00:24:44,780 --> 00:24:42,480
guitar again and things like that most

657
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:44,790
people will take it because you know

658
00:24:47,450 --> 00:24:46,170
they're not losing their humanity

659
00:24:50,299 --> 00:24:47,460
they're just augmenting their

660
00:24:52,909 --> 00:24:50,309
body to get back into the health how far

661
00:24:56,029 --> 00:24:52,919
away do you think we are right now from

662
00:24:59,899 --> 00:24:56,039
being able to upload your brain your

663
00:25:02,060 --> 00:24:59,909
thoughts well you know we used to all

664
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:02,070
say like 20 30 years the problem is that

665
00:25:06,139 --> 00:25:04,440
there's been so much advancement in this

666
00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:06,149
what we call field of telepathy and

667
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:09,929
brainwave eg field and now there are

668
00:25:13,340 --> 00:25:11,610
literally hundreds of Silicon Valley

669
00:25:15,409 --> 00:25:13,350
companies jumping on and putting in tens

670
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:15,419
of hundreds of millions of dollars Ellen

671
00:25:19,639 --> 00:25:16,770
must recently started a company called

672
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,649
um you know working on this this thing

673
00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:21,840
called the neural lace which will allow

674
00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:23,880
you to tap into the cloud you know we

675
00:25:27,019 --> 00:25:25,500
there are hundreds of thousands of

676
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,029
craters around the world dealing Wall

677
00:25:30,740 --> 00:25:28,799
Street and whatnot they're all going to

678
00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:30,750
be replaced within four seven or eight

679
00:25:33,649 --> 00:25:32,340
years I mean some of the largest hedge

680
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,659
funds have already come out saying we're

681
00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:35,520
gonna be replacing mid-level management

682
00:25:39,529 --> 00:25:37,260
because we can have AI do that job

683
00:25:41,419 --> 00:25:39,539
better so unless we have a way in our

684
00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:41,429
brains to directly connect to the cloud

685
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:43,500
and that means not necessarily uploading

686
00:25:47,419 --> 00:25:45,330
but directly using brain waves to think

687
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:47,429
with the machine we're gonna be out of

688
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:48,809
jobs and when you know when Wall Street

689
00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:50,370
traders lose jobs these are some of the

690
00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:52,140
smartest people we have on the planet

691
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:54,120
with some of the best degrees we're all

692
00:25:58,700 --> 00:25:57,090
going to lose jobs so my general guess

693
00:26:00,110 --> 00:25:58,710
is that and they said you know I almost

694
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:00,120
said on the record probably four years

695
00:26:04,340 --> 00:26:02,730
will be a working type of this type of

696
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:04,350
neural lace we can think into the cloud

697
00:26:08,779 --> 00:26:06,809
and that sounds about sensible given

698
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:08,789
other companies I've talked to I'd say

699
00:26:13,130 --> 00:26:11,250
in 10 to 15 years a lot of us will have

700
00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:13,140
this ability through brain wave headsets

701
00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:15,929
to think to each other we might not do

702
00:26:19,580 --> 00:26:17,940
this probably in 10 years where we use

703
00:26:21,260 --> 00:26:19,590
headsets and things like that our

704
00:26:23,180 --> 00:26:21,270
connection will be directly through our

705
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:23,190
minds maybe just wearing one single

706
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:24,510
little thing that's tapped in an hour

707
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:27,090
here or even embedded you know like a

708
00:26:30,649 --> 00:26:29,130
chip and plan um you know that'll be a

709
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:30,659
choice how people do that but I could

710
00:26:34,370 --> 00:26:32,460
see that happening in 10 to 12 years

711
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,380
you'd understand a lot of these

712
00:26:38,419 --> 00:26:36,240
technologies are motivated by how much

713
00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:38,429
money these corporations can make and

714
00:26:42,019 --> 00:26:40,020
this thing that I just mentioned this

715
00:26:44,389 --> 00:26:42,029
neural lace is the way to save

716
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:44,399
capitalism we don't need to replace our

717
00:26:48,919 --> 00:26:46,380
traders with AI if we can become one

718
00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:48,929
with AI that's one way to keep it so

719
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:51,350
that jobs can continue indefinitely

720
00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:53,610
because we can think just like the minds

721
00:26:57,740 --> 00:26:55,980
well as it is right now

722
00:27:00,620 --> 00:26:57,750
you know Wall Street is kind of scary

723
00:27:01,910 --> 00:27:00,630
when it comes to the algorithms and how

724
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:01,920
quickly you know tre

725
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:03,510
are happening and it's hard to believe

726
00:27:09,340 --> 00:27:06,530
that it can go it faster than it is but

727
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:09,350
but now you're you're talking about a

728
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:11,850
human being piped into the whole thing

729
00:27:16,820 --> 00:27:13,320
is that what you're is that what you

730
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:16,830
mean well yes and I think that's you

731
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:18,210
have to understand I think the main

732
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:20,310
thing here is humans don't want to lose

733
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:21,960
their jobs not all of us want to lose

734
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:24,330
our jobs I mean I'm you know what I'm

735
00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:26,250
trying to say is the people that are

736
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:27,750
Wall Street traders are some of the most

737
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:29,850
sophisticated well-educated wealthy

738
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:31,860
people on the planet when you tell them

739
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:33,210
you're when you tell someone who just

740
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:34,980
graduated MBA you're gonna lose your job

741
00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:36,810
in five years because the Machine

742
00:27:41,030 --> 00:27:38,940
replaces you he's gonna say hell no how

743
00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:41,040
do I stop that and the lawyers will get

744
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:42,600
together Congress will get together and

745
00:27:47,420 --> 00:27:44,910
I honestly believe that one way to keep

746
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:47,430
our relevance against machines is to be

747
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:49,410
much more connected to them and this

748
00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:51,210
could include upgrades to our bodies if

749
00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:53,190
you want to be builders construction I

750
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:54,870
mean we already have this idea that you

751
00:27:59,300 --> 00:27:56,850
could wear exoskeleton suits and lift

752
00:28:00,980 --> 00:27:59,310
two or three times what you want and you

753
00:28:02,570 --> 00:28:00,990
know the military is starting to say put

754
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:02,580
on exoskeleton suits cuz they allow

755
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,490
these guys to walk for 24 hours instead

756
00:28:08,540 --> 00:28:06,960
of only being able to walk 12 hours and

757
00:28:09,140 --> 00:28:08,550
then die you know passing over from

758
00:28:10,910 --> 00:28:09,150
exhaustion

759
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:10,920
so all these technologies we can

760
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:13,110
integrate into our own bodies including

761
00:28:16,910 --> 00:28:14,730
tapping into the cloud with brainwaves

762
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:16,920
and brain thoughts and that would be one

763
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:19,650
way to to keep our sense of humanity

764
00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:22,200
while also staying competitive to

765
00:28:25,940 --> 00:28:24,180
machines and I think a lot of people

766
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,950
like that because these Wall Street

767
00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:27,360
traders are like hey I'd like to have

768
00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:28,980
the power of a calculator in my brain

769
00:28:33,290 --> 00:28:30,900
I'd like to be able to Google

770
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:33,300
instantaneously in my thoughts so you

771
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:34,860
know there's that's kind of where I

772
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:36,450
think the key is and that's what I think

773
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:37,710
there's been a huge amount of companies

774
00:28:42,410 --> 00:28:39,810
recently that are starting to set up

775
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:42,420
this idea of something that allows our

776
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,370
brain waves to connect directly into

777
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:46,320
machines that's the way to make sure a

778
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:48,570
AI doesn't ruin run loose we're never

779
00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:50,010
gonna get terminator if the human being

780
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:52,230
is inside it then we're gonna get maybe

781
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:53,490
a human being terminator I mean I

782
00:28:57,530 --> 00:28:54,930
understand they'll be evil dictators or

783
00:28:59,900 --> 00:28:57,540
whatnot but we're always gonna have at

784
00:29:02,000 --> 00:28:59,910
least the mammalian element this idea of

785
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:02,010
our humanity is with us so a lot of

786
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:04,080
people want to merge with machines but

787
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:06,690
not just let machines become this great

788
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:08,730
evolved type of entity I certainly done

789
00:29:14,090 --> 00:29:11,010
now what is that you know I've heard of

790
00:29:15,810 --> 00:29:14,100
the singularity and what is the

791
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:15,820
difference between human

792
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:21,250
you know transhumanism and singularity

793
00:29:26,350 --> 00:29:24,170
well so transhumanism is really the

794
00:29:29,230 --> 00:29:26,360
social movement that would ultimately

795
00:29:31,690 --> 00:29:29,240
lead to a singularity the singularity is

796
00:29:34,030 --> 00:29:31,700
generally a point in time when so much

797
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:34,040
artificial or machine intelligence has

798
00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:36,890
gathered so much power evolutionary

799
00:29:40,660 --> 00:29:38,870
power that it sort of leaves behind

800
00:29:43,150 --> 00:29:40,670
human thinking what people like to say

801
00:29:44,830 --> 00:29:43,160
is the singularity is almost like you

802
00:29:47,170 --> 00:29:44,840
know meeting God or something of that

803
00:29:49,660 --> 00:29:47,180
nature you can't understand it anymore

804
00:29:51,370 --> 00:29:49,670
it's beyond our you know where our

805
00:29:52,210 --> 00:29:51,380
brains are three pounds of meat let's be

806
00:29:53,890 --> 00:29:52,220
honest that's what they are

807
00:29:56,350 --> 00:29:53,900
well the singularity is when your brain

808
00:29:58,090 --> 00:29:56,360
becomes you know a hundred pounds of

809
00:30:00,490 --> 00:29:58,100
meat or something like that in terms of

810
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:00,500
neural connections millions and millions

811
00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:02,690
of times smarter and at some point

812
00:30:06,010 --> 00:30:03,980
because of the J curve of how

813
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:06,020
intelligence grows it keeps evolving

814
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:09,200
even quicker so your evolution of IQ

815
00:30:13,210 --> 00:30:11,570
points can double you know quadruple and

816
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:13,220
then you know it can basically

817
00:30:17,470 --> 00:30:15,170
exponentially shoot through the roof so

818
00:30:19,870 --> 00:30:17,480
what you experience in one year of life

819
00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:19,880
can be more than we've experienced in

820
00:30:24,370 --> 00:30:21,260
intelligence growth in the entire

821
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,380
history of intelligence so that's really

822
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:26,720
what the singularity is and yes it's a

823
00:30:30,580 --> 00:30:28,730
it's a quasi-religious component of

824
00:30:32,290 --> 00:30:30,590
transhumanism I don't really think about

825
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:32,300
it much because it's so far out of the

826
00:30:36,430 --> 00:30:34,010
realm but it's certainly a very

827
00:30:38,590 --> 00:30:36,440
interesting point to say well what

828
00:30:40,450 --> 00:30:38,600
actually happens what's the final the

829
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:40,460
end game for transhumanism well it's the

830
00:30:45,550 --> 00:30:43,610
singularity okay so back to the question

831
00:30:49,030 --> 00:30:45,560
that I asked you someone on the message

832
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:49,040
board wanted to know kind of wanted you

833
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:51,890
to elaborate more on the question do you

834
00:31:00,640 --> 00:30:54,530
think it'll be possible to upload a mind

835
00:31:03,010 --> 00:31:00,650
to a computer so the answer is yes um we

836
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:03,020
are have already to some extent uploaded

837
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,510
thoughts to machines just you know there

838
00:31:10,390 --> 00:31:07,760
are headsets out there that you can lift

839
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,400
a drone by thinking it in fact they have

840
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:12,080
drone races already just using

841
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:13,970
brainpower where you think thoughts and

842
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:16,310
drones race around a track and we've

843
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:17,930
gotten so sophisticated with this

844
00:31:22,060 --> 00:31:20,210
telepathy type of idea where you send

845
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:22,070
our brain signals so the question is how

846
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:23,930
does the machine interface actually grab

847
00:31:28,510 --> 00:31:26,000
that signal and then translate it into

848
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:28,520
machine well it develops algorithms it

849
00:31:30,610 --> 00:31:29,090
mitts

850
00:31:32,350 --> 00:31:30,620
where's the memory and then it figures

851
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,360
out well that brainwave was exactly like

852
00:31:36,970 --> 00:31:34,880
this and that means it's green or that

853
00:31:38,740 --> 00:31:36,980
means it's blue now use it like a

854
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:38,750
calculator and start producing software

855
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:40,730
and programs around that and then all of

856
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:42,050
a sudden you're like well wow that's

857
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:43,850
just like zoltan's thoughts or that's

858
00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:46,610
just you know whoever's thoughts and if

859
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:48,740
you do that enough times you can

860
00:31:53,380 --> 00:31:51,770
actually recreate a very real sense of

861
00:31:55,330 --> 00:31:53,390
who yarn some people are doing this with

862
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,340
people that are like like Wired magazine

863
00:31:57,490 --> 00:31:57,200
just ran a big story and someone who did

864
00:31:59,740 --> 00:31:57,500
this

865
00:32:01,360 --> 00:31:59,750
to his father they downloaded a ton of

866
00:32:03,010 --> 00:32:01,370
the father's thoughts they got a ton of

867
00:32:05,290 --> 00:32:03,020
what the father had thought and they

868
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:05,300
programmed it in todayI and now that a I

869
00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:08,240
can respond basically very similar to

870
00:32:12,670 --> 00:32:09,950
how the father was now it's not perfect

871
00:32:16,210 --> 00:32:12,680
and I are not even close to really

872
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:16,220
completing a full consciousness but you

873
00:32:19,150 --> 00:32:18,110
know I mean a day a person that you talk

874
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:19,160
to you doesn't have that much

875
00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:21,170
sophistication unless you really get

876
00:32:24,940 --> 00:32:23,030
into these things you can often find out

877
00:32:26,890 --> 00:32:24,950
what they like or you can you know what

878
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,900
what they want to know or what their

879
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:29,120
daily routines would be so it's pretty

880
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:31,490
easy to recreate a semblance of somebody

881
00:32:35,410 --> 00:32:33,650
of course it's gonna be 10 to 15 years

882
00:32:37,660 --> 00:32:35,420
before we really start getting into that

883
00:32:40,030 --> 00:32:37,670
idea that your mind is through this

884
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:40,040
machine my mind and then I can recreate

885
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,470
exactly who I am and at some point that

886
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:44,720
will be one way of living in Deathly is

887
00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:48,320
is that but most consumers would say me

888
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:51,190
inside a machine is not necessarily me

889
00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:54,320
you know because I'm still here I think

890
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:55,550
a lot of Trance tumors want to make sure

891
00:32:59,170 --> 00:32:57,650
that there's only one them and that one

892
00:33:01,330 --> 00:32:59,180
them always remains one it doesn't

893
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:01,340
matter if you go into a machine but you

894
00:33:05,050 --> 00:33:02,930
know you can't have to me because then

895
00:33:06,580 --> 00:33:05,060
you just have a clone so you know those

896
00:33:08,650 --> 00:33:06,590
are some of the options but the

897
00:33:11,410 --> 00:33:08,660
technology is coming and we are already

898
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:11,420
so far in terms of uploading various

899
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:13,250
thoughts and using algorithms to produce

900
00:33:20,170 --> 00:33:16,570
them back yes Leslie in the chatroom

901
00:33:23,620 --> 00:33:20,180
kind of wants to know along those same

902
00:33:26,740 --> 00:33:23,630
lines if the idea to live forever if the

903
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:26,750
idea is to live forever how much of our

904
00:33:30,820 --> 00:33:29,600
bodies and minds can be replaced and

905
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:30,830
still have self

906
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:36,770
gotta be honest that's the

907
00:33:40,270 --> 00:33:38,360
million-dollar question because and I

908
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:40,280
give this ass all the time like when do

909
00:33:43,299 --> 00:33:41,690
you go from being a human to being a

910
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,309
trans human entity and

911
00:33:47,970 --> 00:33:45,039
I'm not really sure you know I've said

912
00:33:51,129 --> 00:33:47,980
before that okay if you have five major

913
00:33:52,869 --> 00:33:51,139
cyborg parts then that already qualifies

914
00:33:55,389 --> 00:33:52,879
you as something that's more than just

915
00:33:57,850 --> 00:33:55,399
human being but it probably would take

916
00:34:00,340 --> 00:33:57,860
maybe something like 50% of your flesh

917
00:34:03,549 --> 00:34:00,350
to be gone in order for me to say okay

918
00:34:07,090 --> 00:34:03,559
you're now more cyborg than you are

919
00:34:09,250 --> 00:34:07,100
human and I think in terms of that you

920
00:34:11,050 --> 00:34:09,260
know so that would require like half

921
00:34:12,819 --> 00:34:11,060
your body or something like that and and

922
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:12,829
I think you know we're only a year two

923
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:14,960
away from people biohackers cutting

924
00:34:19,419 --> 00:34:17,089
electively cutting off their arms or

925
00:34:21,399 --> 00:34:19,429
limbs and replacing it with Bionic ones

926
00:34:22,930 --> 00:34:21,409
because while the Bionic ones are still

927
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:22,940
a few years away from being as good as

928
00:34:25,780 --> 00:34:24,649
the human ones there's people that want

929
00:34:27,579 --> 00:34:25,790
to do it just because they want to

930
00:34:28,659 --> 00:34:27,589
experiment and they out in the end of

931
00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:28,669
the day you're gonna be able to take off

932
00:34:31,690 --> 00:34:29,990
your arm again and get the next upgrade

933
00:34:33,369 --> 00:34:31,700
you know this has been the prom with my

934
00:34:35,649 --> 00:34:33,379
chip as my chips been obsolete already

935
00:34:38,379 --> 00:34:35,659
for about a year you have to constantly

936
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:38,389
replace this stuff and we're gonna get

937
00:34:42,430 --> 00:34:40,730
to a point when a lot of our body parts

938
00:34:44,050 --> 00:34:42,440
will be replaced as there are upgrades

939
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:44,060
sort of like we would replace parts on

940
00:34:48,849 --> 00:34:47,810
our cars and I think you know but in

941
00:34:51,790 --> 00:34:48,859
order to answer that question

942
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,800
yeah I'd say to be more of a cyborg you

943
00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:53,599
probably have to be more than 50% but

944
00:34:57,309 --> 00:34:55,250
I'm you know as long as we have our

945
00:34:59,800 --> 00:34:57,319
brains I'm not sure we're really gonna

946
00:35:01,000 --> 00:34:59,810
be anything other than ourselves I think

947
00:35:04,180 --> 00:35:01,010
when you start messing with

948
00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:04,190
consciousness and it's not you it's not

949
00:35:08,170 --> 00:35:05,780
your same memories because in the end of

950
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:08,180
the day it's our memories it's our care

951
00:35:12,309 --> 00:35:09,710
our love our family these are a lot of

952
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,319
the things that constitute us so if we

953
00:35:16,359 --> 00:35:14,000
even transfer ourselves into virtual

954
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:16,369
reality and still feel those same ways I

955
00:35:20,650 --> 00:35:18,290
might still say hey this is mostly me

956
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:20,660
even if I am data it's still it's still

957
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:24,050
you know Zoltan yes we have a scientist

958
00:35:28,930 --> 00:35:27,170
friend of Mines in the chat room and he

959
00:35:32,620 --> 00:35:28,940
was saying that you know science doesn't

960
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:32,630
really understand memories so how if

961
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:34,910
they can't understand them how could

962
00:35:42,099 --> 00:35:38,720
they possibly be transferred do you are

963
00:35:43,569 --> 00:35:42,109
you able to tackle that one well just

964
00:35:45,220 --> 00:35:43,579
you know so you know there have been

965
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:45,230
some experiments that have been recently

966
00:35:51,579 --> 00:35:47,210
hitting where they've been actually

967
00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:51,589
implanting memories into rodents and so

968
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:53,540
those rodents believe that they know

969
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:55,430
these kinds of things so you're right

970
00:35:59,470 --> 00:35:57,050
well we don't fully understand

971
00:36:01,600 --> 00:35:59,480
memories we actually can recreate them

972
00:36:03,340 --> 00:36:01,610
in certain ways that you know at least

973
00:36:04,780 --> 00:36:03,350
at this point animal life can take that

974
00:36:06,130 --> 00:36:04,790
and say oh that seemed to be something

975
00:36:08,650 --> 00:36:06,140
that happened to me and therefore I'll

976
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:08,660
turn right at this intersection or left

977
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:10,490
in this kind of maze and that would work

978
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:13,490
and so I think it's gonna take a little

979
00:36:17,140 --> 00:36:15,650
bit longer and this is why when a lot of

980
00:36:18,250 --> 00:36:17,150
people ask me can we live indefinitely

981
00:36:20,110 --> 00:36:18,260
well yes we're gonna be able to make

982
00:36:22,090 --> 00:36:20,120
your body live indefinitely very shortly

983
00:36:23,860 --> 00:36:22,100
the real problem is we still don't

984
00:36:25,450 --> 00:36:23,870
understand consciousness we don't

985
00:36:27,220 --> 00:36:25,460
understand a lot about quantum mechanics

986
00:36:29,710 --> 00:36:27,230
we don't understand a lot of the kind of

987
00:36:32,830 --> 00:36:29,720
most difficult questions that actually

988
00:36:34,990 --> 00:36:32,840
make a brain work so what he might end

989
00:36:36,730 --> 00:36:35,000
up being for a long time unless we have

990
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:36,740
some very serious breakthroughs it's

991
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:40,130
just very Bionic entities with you know

992
00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:42,170
with brains where we try to continually

993
00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:44,030
recharge your brain instead of brain

994
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:46,190
cells dying maybe stem cell treatments

995
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:48,410
would work right now that hasn't really

996
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:51,290
worked yet but we might end up being

997
00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:52,880
very much machines carrying around these

998
00:36:56,830 --> 00:36:54,920
these these human brains because we

999
00:36:59,230 --> 00:36:56,840
haven't figured out consciousness and

1000
00:37:01,060 --> 00:36:59,240
consciousness is you know it's a mystery

1001
00:37:02,380 --> 00:37:01,070
there's no question right now all right

1002
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:02,390
I know there's a lot of debates about

1003
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:06,800
what consciousness is so Sam also has

1004
00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:08,810
this question what's your thoughts on

1005
00:37:16,350 --> 00:37:11,030
what might be the first successful

1006
00:37:21,850 --> 00:37:20,020
well so you know this last week has been

1007
00:37:25,210 --> 00:37:21,860
a very huge week for implants because a

1008
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:25,220
company in Wisconsin had a chip party

1009
00:37:28,060 --> 00:37:26,810
they took 80 of their employees and said

1010
00:37:30,070 --> 00:37:28,070
we're gonna give you free chip and

1011
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:30,080
plants they only cost about $50 and

1012
00:37:32,740 --> 00:37:31,250
where you set a vending machines

1013
00:37:34,570 --> 00:37:32,750
downstairs and from now when you check

1014
00:37:36,370 --> 00:37:34,580
in your just gonna swipe your hand you

1015
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:36,380
don't need punch cards anymore or you

1016
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:38,510
know anything like that so it was a

1017
00:37:42,340 --> 00:37:40,130
little bit weird but national and even

1018
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:42,350
the New York Times did a story on it the

1019
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:44,210
problem though is that while it has

1020
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:46,490
ability to use it a vending machines in

1021
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:48,410
order for me to really be a believer in

1022
00:37:53,230 --> 00:37:50,210
my chip I want to go to Starbucks and

1023
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:53,240
swipe I want my credit card tied to it

1024
00:37:59,200 --> 00:37:56,570
and I think until we find a universal

1025
00:38:01,180 --> 00:37:59,210
payment system of an implant it's not

1026
00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:01,190
gonna catch on in a way that's that

1027
00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:01,760
useful

1028
00:38:05,410 --> 00:38:03,950
this implant can't be tracked this isn't

1029
00:38:07,540 --> 00:38:05,420
not that different than what we have in

1030
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,550
animals it can you know start your car

1031
00:38:10,299 --> 00:38:09,200
it opens my front door on my door just

1032
00:38:11,949 --> 00:38:10,309
swipe my hand I don't

1033
00:38:14,019 --> 00:38:11,959
keys and that actually that's very

1034
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,029
useful as a surfer or somebody who likes

1035
00:38:17,439 --> 00:38:16,160
to go jogging I hate to carry keys so

1036
00:38:19,269 --> 00:38:17,449
that's what but we're gonna need a

1037
00:38:20,890 --> 00:38:19,279
payment system and when someone comes up

1038
00:38:22,779 --> 00:38:20,900
with a universal payment system and Visa

1039
00:38:24,370 --> 00:38:22,789
and MasterCard jump on board you're

1040
00:38:27,069 --> 00:38:24,380
gonna see everyone get this because an

1041
00:38:29,890 --> 00:38:27,079
implant the size of a grain of rice can

1042
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:29,900
literally replace about 30 or 40% of

1043
00:38:32,949 --> 00:38:31,609
your phone and of course it costs a

1044
00:38:34,929 --> 00:38:32,959
fraction well not a fraction but just

1045
00:38:36,189 --> 00:38:34,939
implants really only cost about ten or

1046
00:38:38,829 --> 00:38:36,199
twenty dollars that's how cheap they're

1047
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:38,839
gonna get and when that starts happening

1048
00:38:42,849 --> 00:38:40,130
people are going to say you know I'm not

1049
00:38:44,289 --> 00:38:42,859
gonna buy $700 iPhone if this does

1050
00:38:48,249 --> 00:38:44,299
thirty or forty percent of those things

1051
00:38:51,489 --> 00:38:48,259
well do you think there are a lot of

1052
00:38:55,209 --> 00:38:51,499
risks to where things are going you like

1053
00:38:57,279 --> 00:38:55,219
Elon Musk thinks that AI could be the

1054
00:39:01,059 --> 00:38:57,289
end of us all what are your thoughts on

1055
00:39:04,089 --> 00:39:01,069
that well I tend to agree with the Elan

1056
00:39:06,099 --> 00:39:04,099
musk on the AI I think there's no reason

1057
00:39:07,959 --> 00:39:06,109
to have an intelligence as smart as a

1058
00:39:09,939 --> 00:39:07,969
human being on planet Earth

1059
00:39:12,429 --> 00:39:09,949
I just because it could very quickly

1060
00:39:14,170 --> 00:39:12,439
become much smarter and it'll in a

1061
00:39:15,579 --> 00:39:14,180
magnetic and devise ways that we can't

1062
00:39:19,929 --> 00:39:15,589
shut it down because it's smarter than

1063
00:39:21,429 --> 00:39:19,939
us and you know if that happens why

1064
00:39:23,049 --> 00:39:21,439
would we invite something that's that

1065
00:39:24,729 --> 00:39:23,059
much smarter than us when we don't know

1066
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:24,739
if it's gonna be good or bad if we knew

1067
00:39:28,299 --> 00:39:26,209
is gonna be good I'd say sure let's have

1068
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:28,309
something smarter than us but we

1069
00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:29,689
wouldn't be the top of the food chain so

1070
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:33,140
I worry about these technologies but

1071
00:39:36,609 --> 00:39:34,910
generally speaking technology and

1072
00:39:38,169 --> 00:39:36,619
radical science have helped the human

1073
00:39:40,479 --> 00:39:38,179
race out over the last 30 years

1074
00:39:42,609 --> 00:39:40,489
lifespans have increased been less

1075
00:39:44,769 --> 00:39:42,619
people dying from war and things like

1076
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:44,779
that so there's a good historical

1077
00:39:49,749 --> 00:39:46,910
pattern for saying that radical science

1078
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:49,759
radical technology helps lives saves

1079
00:39:54,299 --> 00:39:52,130
lives makes lives better and longer but

1080
00:39:57,099 --> 00:39:54,309
we might come to a tipping point with AI

1081
00:39:59,259 --> 00:39:57,109
whereas you know all the sudden just one

1082
00:40:01,269 --> 00:39:59,269
person turns on a flick of a switch and

1083
00:40:03,969 --> 00:40:01,279
now you know the whole world very

1084
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,979
quickly goes like that and I'd

1085
00:40:07,029 --> 00:40:05,599
especially think this is a very

1086
00:40:09,370 --> 00:40:07,039
important national security concern

1087
00:40:12,219 --> 00:40:09,380
imagine if you know Russia or North

1088
00:40:14,140 --> 00:40:12,229
Korea were to reach AI first and use

1089
00:40:16,329 --> 00:40:14,150
that against the American military let's

1090
00:40:18,370 --> 00:40:16,339
say there were a you know essentially

1091
00:40:20,109 --> 00:40:18,380
throw ever all our military computers

1092
00:40:22,179 --> 00:40:20,119
into whack because they have one machine

1093
00:40:24,130 --> 00:40:22,189
that can out think all of our engineers

1094
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:24,140
and that's a very real

1095
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:26,390
in fact I you know said before that the

1096
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:28,130
the most important national security

1097
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:30,890
issue of the decade is going to be who

1098
00:40:36,250 --> 00:40:34,400
gets to true AI first or artificial

1099
00:40:38,110 --> 00:40:36,260
general intelligence which is an

1100
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:38,120
intelligence that's equivalent to human

1101
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:40,610
beings and there's a race going on it's

1102
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:42,800
it's it's a it's a it's a race as much

1103
00:40:47,020 --> 00:40:45,170
as exciting as anything of the arms race

1104
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:47,030
with the Cold War and I you're gonna be

1105
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:48,530
hearing huge amounts about it because

1106
00:40:53,020 --> 00:40:50,330
we're gonna it would be worth spending

1107
00:40:55,330 --> 00:40:53,030
trillions of dollars if it means being a

1108
00:40:57,070 --> 00:40:55,340
democratic nation reaching that

1109
00:40:59,560 --> 00:40:57,080
artificial general intelligence first

1110
00:41:02,050 --> 00:40:59,570
rather than some rogue nation and I'll

1111
00:41:03,970 --> 00:41:02,060
send them using it against us to to make

1112
00:41:06,070 --> 00:41:03,980
all our you know they could for example

1113
00:41:08,020 --> 00:41:06,080
in a flick of a switch make all the

1114
00:41:10,270 --> 00:41:08,030
gps's and all the sixteen thousand

1115
00:41:12,220 --> 00:41:10,280
flights above America right now stop I

1116
00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:12,230
mean can you imagine what kind of chaos

1117
00:41:15,940 --> 00:41:14,150
could happen and that's just one thing

1118
00:41:17,470 --> 00:41:15,950
it could turn off all the lights all the

1119
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:17,480
power grids could be shut down I mean

1120
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,250
honestly they could you not only

1121
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:20,960
trillions of dollars being lost daily

1122
00:41:25,210 --> 00:41:22,610
because the stock market shutdowns but

1123
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,220
you could send countries back almost to

1124
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,960
the dark ages what would happen in a

1125
00:41:30,850 --> 00:41:28,640
city like New York or San Francisco of

1126
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,860
nothing ran I mean most people have no

1127
00:41:34,570 --> 00:41:32,960
idea how to survive in fact this has

1128
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:34,580
been the stuff of science fiction novels

1129
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:36,770
and and that's why it's so important

1130
00:41:41,110 --> 00:41:39,440
that we have either reach artificial

1131
00:41:42,610 --> 00:41:41,120
intelligence first because the key is

1132
00:41:44,590 --> 00:41:42,620
whoever reaches it first gets the

1133
00:41:46,540 --> 00:41:44,600
control all the other artificial

1134
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:46,550
intelligences if we have the smarter AI

1135
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:49,490
Rai will be able to be the one who stops

1136
00:41:53,710 --> 00:41:51,710
any other AI from developing I call this

1137
00:41:56,170 --> 00:41:53,720
the AI imperative whoever reaches the

1138
00:41:58,900 --> 00:41:56,180
very first or smartest AI will be able

1139
00:42:00,580 --> 00:41:58,910
to keep tabs on all the other AIS and if

1140
00:42:02,290 --> 00:42:00,590
they start developing too far they'll be

1141
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:02,300
able to shut them down it's like you

1142
00:42:08,050 --> 00:42:04,850
know it works quite different than the

1143
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:08,060
then nuclear warfare and nuclear warfare

1144
00:42:12,190 --> 00:42:09,650
we always kind of hit each other you hit

1145
00:42:13,930 --> 00:42:12,200
me back with this one the smartest say I

1146
00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:13,940
will sort of control all the others so

1147
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:16,280
it's imperative that America or a

1148
00:42:20,650 --> 00:42:18,770
democratic nation reaches in ours yeah I

1149
00:42:22,210 --> 00:42:20,660
mean you always see like in sci-fi you

1150
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:22,220
just mentioned that I'm thinking

1151
00:42:28,690 --> 00:42:24,890
probably a lot of our development has

1152
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:28,700
actually inspired by sci-fi that you

1153
00:42:32,740 --> 00:42:30,410
know you always see ahead in the future

1154
00:42:36,460 --> 00:42:32,750
like Terminator you know a dystopian

1155
00:42:38,109 --> 00:42:36,470
future and you know I I wonder it is

1156
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:38,119
scary you know it's excite

1157
00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:41,569
and scary at the same time you know oh

1158
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,630
it it's very exciting and I think we've

1159
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:45,920
been talking about some of the dystopian

1160
00:42:50,289 --> 00:42:48,140
things but can you imagine the medical

1161
00:42:51,579 --> 00:42:50,299
discoveries that an AI might make they

1162
00:42:53,620 --> 00:42:51,589
might be you know it might be able to

1163
00:42:55,749 --> 00:42:53,630
cure cancer in the first 24 hours of its

1164
00:42:57,339 --> 00:42:55,759
existence and say you know did you

1165
00:42:58,900 --> 00:42:57,349
humans try this well of course you

1166
00:43:01,210 --> 00:42:58,910
didn't this is what you need to do and

1167
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,220
all of a sudden it's like oh wow you

1168
00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:02,960
know and some of our environmental

1169
00:43:07,269 --> 00:43:04,670
problems maybe I can figure out ways to

1170
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:07,279
stop whatever we're doing and allow us

1171
00:43:10,779 --> 00:43:09,049
to even that do bad environmental things

1172
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:10,789
and still keep the planet pristine

1173
00:43:14,620 --> 00:43:12,529
through nanotechnology and things like

1174
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:14,630
that so there's a lot to be said for

1175
00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:17,210
developing it I've advocated for going

1176
00:43:21,460 --> 00:43:19,640
to the very edge when it becomes like

1177
00:43:23,739 --> 00:43:21,470
almost as smart as us is when we need to

1178
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:23,749
pull back but until then let us spend as

1179
00:43:28,589 --> 00:43:26,210
much money as possible to develop this

1180
00:43:30,579 --> 00:43:28,599
because it will be a big boom for

1181
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:30,589
economies and it will also be very

1182
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:32,210
useful for Science and Technology it

1183
00:43:37,769 --> 00:43:34,130
will teach us yeah absolutely someone

1184
00:43:41,710 --> 00:43:37,779
mentioned the chat room about robotic

1185
00:43:43,539 --> 00:43:41,720
surgical you know procedures there

1186
00:43:45,279 --> 00:43:43,549
wouldn't be any malpractice you know I

1187
00:43:49,059 --> 00:43:45,289
mean there'd be much less of it if you

1188
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:49,069
had you know such accurate accuracy my

1189
00:43:53,529 --> 00:43:51,410
wife is an ob/gyn and they've told her

1190
00:43:56,019 --> 00:43:53,539
you know at conferences it'd be prepared

1191
00:43:58,450 --> 00:43:56,029
than 15 or 20 years a robot might

1192
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:58,460
deliver babies and it will do it 24

1193
00:44:01,120 --> 00:43:59,359
hours a day

1194
00:44:03,130 --> 00:44:01,130
it won't need 19 years of medical school

1195
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:03,140
training it won't come with you know

1196
00:44:06,849 --> 00:44:04,970
college debt and if it does something

1197
00:44:08,109 --> 00:44:06,859
wrong you'll just get another one but I

1198
00:44:11,470 --> 00:44:08,119
think the most important thing is it can

1199
00:44:13,089 --> 00:44:11,480
actually work 24 hours a day you know

1200
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:13,099
what are if doctors lose their jobs and

1201
00:44:19,089 --> 00:44:16,249
well you know what it's amazing so you

1202
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:19,099
know but that's the reality is that you

1203
00:44:22,269 --> 00:44:21,049
know these things will happen and yeah

1204
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:22,279
they're dropped liability this is why

1205
00:44:25,690 --> 00:44:23,599
I'm not sure insurance companies can

1206
00:44:28,059 --> 00:44:25,700
really survive the future there just

1207
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,069
might not be so much destruction or

1208
00:44:32,589 --> 00:44:30,319
tragedy or whatever that we have sort of

1209
00:44:37,450 --> 00:44:32,599
make up or you may need to take a policy

1210
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:37,460
to protect yourself from AI you know yes

1211
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:39,170
no no maybe that's what that's the way

1212
00:44:44,259 --> 00:44:41,569
they'll do protect yourself in

1213
00:44:46,140 --> 00:44:44,269
Terminator now you know getting back to

1214
00:44:49,779 --> 00:44:46,150
the power grid you know I've heard

1215
00:44:52,030 --> 00:44:49,789
statistics that and say the power grid

1216
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:52,040
goes down nationally in the United

1217
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,160
States we lose about 90% of our

1218
00:45:00,100 --> 00:44:57,920
population within three years which is

1219
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:00,110
it's hard to fathom that that could

1220
00:45:08,170 --> 00:45:04,970
happen but we are so much relying on you

1221
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,180
know what we have right now to go back

1222
00:45:13,810 --> 00:45:09,920
in the Dark Ages I don't know a lot of

1223
00:45:15,970 --> 00:45:13,820
people just they couldn't do it no no I

1224
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:15,980
mean look I've been a formerly a

1225
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:16,910
journalist with National Geographic

1226
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:18,710
Channel I've been to a number of war

1227
00:45:24,910 --> 00:45:21,890
zones and most war zones take place and

1228
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:24,920
areas where you know not not developed

1229
00:45:29,050 --> 00:45:26,330
nations already kind of developing

1230
00:45:31,330 --> 00:45:29,060
nations or third world nations and so

1231
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:31,340
it's hard you know a lot a lot of people

1232
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,720
are developing they should have more of

1233
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:34,400
a survival instinct because they've been

1234
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:36,170
they know how to fix a car because they

1235
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:38,570
don't have the brand new BMW X 3s or

1236
00:45:43,690 --> 00:45:42,410
what not however I can tell you that you

1237
00:45:46,210 --> 00:45:43,700
know if something like that happened in

1238
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:46,220
my city and you know Mill Valley in San

1239
00:45:49,570 --> 00:45:48,170
Francisco I mean you know these are all

1240
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:49,580
these are people that know how to code

1241
00:45:53,770 --> 00:45:51,410
you know these are people that work at

1242
00:45:55,630 --> 00:45:53,780
Facebook and maybe you know they have no

1243
00:45:56,860 --> 00:45:55,640
idea they wouldn't know how to fix a car

1244
00:45:58,180 --> 00:45:56,870
Denis you know nobody would be able to

1245
00:46:00,010 --> 00:45:58,190
start anything they wouldn't know where

1246
00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:00,020
to get gasoline or how to create it

1247
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,510
nobody is is is a jack-of-all-trades

1248
00:46:06,820 --> 00:46:04,880
anymore we're just all so specialized

1249
00:46:08,770 --> 00:46:06,830
and you can see society breakdown very

1250
00:46:10,690 --> 00:46:08,780
quickly a lot of people make fun of the

1251
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:10,700
Preppers and these people that you know

1252
00:46:15,490 --> 00:46:13,490
buy something up in the mountains but I

1253
00:46:17,530 --> 00:46:15,500
don't make fun of that at all in fact I

1254
00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:17,540
have a vineyard in Argentina for exactly

1255
00:46:22,090 --> 00:46:19,220
that reason on the other side of the

1256
00:46:24,310 --> 00:46:22,100
hemisphere because I know that if

1257
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:24,320
something terrible happened we might

1258
00:46:26,890 --> 00:46:25,730
actually have to go to a different

1259
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:26,900
hemisphere because of weather patterns

1260
00:46:31,810 --> 00:46:28,850
and the same thing with a place in Tahoe

1261
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,820
and stuff like that I am prepared I'm a

1262
00:46:35,470 --> 00:46:33,920
bit of a paranoid guy I keep a lot of

1263
00:46:37,540 --> 00:46:35,480
rice in the house a lot of water

1264
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:37,550
I have 17 smoke alarms you know there's

1265
00:46:42,430 --> 00:46:40,250
that I I believe that things can go

1266
00:46:44,140 --> 00:46:42,440
wrong very quickly and anyone that

1267
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:44,150
doesn't know that is just not being

1268
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:46,370
realistic we have we have come too far

1269
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:48,410
as a society we should be careful

1270
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:51,050
Preppers have something very they're

1271
00:46:55,660 --> 00:46:53,810
doing something very wise um okay I know

1272
00:46:59,050 --> 00:46:55,670
you you said you were short on time

1273
00:47:02,710 --> 00:46:59,060
tonight but I just another question I

1274
00:47:05,710 --> 00:47:02,720
got just a quick question is what would

1275
00:47:06,030 --> 00:47:05,720
you suggest I'll put it this way would

1276
00:47:09,540 --> 00:47:06,040
you

1277
00:47:11,970 --> 00:47:09,550
just if an implant is offered for

1278
00:47:13,530 --> 00:47:11,980
banking that someone gets it I know a

1279
00:47:16,590 --> 00:47:13,540
lot of people are really afraid to do

1280
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:16,600
something like that how you think they

1281
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:22,630
can be just as safe as anything else yes

1282
00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:24,160
you know I think the first thing with

1283
00:47:28,260 --> 00:47:26,140
banking and and implants and stuff like

1284
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:28,270
that is that you just have to check your

1285
00:47:32,130 --> 00:47:29,920
accounts all the time I do this already

1286
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:32,140
I mean I just had somebody last year we

1287
00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:33,730
were on the campaign trail and somebody

1288
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:35,260
took my credit card accidentally not

1289
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:37,090
accidentally but stole it and all Sunday

1290
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,520
you know charge $800 if I wasn't

1291
00:47:42,510 --> 00:47:41,440
checking it that it would be like a

1292
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:42,520
nightmare that somebody would have done

1293
00:47:46,650 --> 00:47:44,530
and I wouldn't have noticed I think with

1294
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:46,660
the implant you just got to follow the

1295
00:47:50,340 --> 00:47:48,490
technology there's gonna be a lot of

1296
00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:50,350
security technology anytime something

1297
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:52,030
like this comes out immediately all the

1298
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:54,310
hackers go after it and then all the you

1299
00:47:57,690 --> 00:47:55,690
know the the anti hackers or the

1300
00:47:59,130 --> 00:47:57,700
security people the people often ask me

1301
00:48:00,690 --> 00:47:59,140
what's the field of future and I said

1302
00:48:02,670 --> 00:48:00,700
well cybersecurity is the field of the

1303
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:02,680
future because we're always gonna as

1304
00:48:06,510 --> 00:48:04,690
technology becomes warm or a Bic witness

1305
00:48:08,670 --> 00:48:06,520
we're gonna need more and more to people

1306
00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:08,680
to protect us protect our privacy but

1307
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:10,540
you know but hands-on with your

1308
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:12,490
technology is what's very very important

1309
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,650
to me is I still follow my banks you

1310
00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:16,240
know at least fewer every few days I

1311
00:48:20,580 --> 00:48:18,180
check I check my credit card charges

1312
00:48:22,410 --> 00:48:20,590
you can check who's been inside your

1313
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:22,420
house with this chip you know because

1314
00:48:26,850 --> 00:48:23,890
you can see well how many you know who

1315
00:48:29,010 --> 00:48:26,860
else went into it it's an RFID so that

1316
00:48:31,230 --> 00:48:29,020
is sometimes very useful but you also

1317
00:48:33,810 --> 00:48:31,240
have to you know it opens up all sorts

1318
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:33,820
of other cans of worms and stuff like

1319
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:36,880
that so you know I mean we just have to

1320
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:39,280
you take it as it comes but always be

1321
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:41,290
cautious right right and so you're

1322
00:48:44,220 --> 00:48:42,850
running for governor we miles I'll put

1323
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:44,230
that plug out there you're running for

1324
00:48:49,140 --> 00:48:44,650
governor

1325
00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:49,150
sure in 2018 oh yes I'm a libertarian

1326
00:48:53,790 --> 00:48:51,640
candidate for governor in California and

1327
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:53,800
I'm one of the you know I'd say one of

1328
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:55,890
the top seven candidates right now and

1329
00:49:01,410 --> 00:48:58,960
you know I'm I pushing forth the basic

1330
00:49:03,630 --> 00:49:01,420
income and I'm pushing forth science and

1331
00:49:05,850 --> 00:49:03,640
technology and I'm also pushing forth

1332
00:49:08,430 --> 00:49:05,860
protecting your freedoms even though you

1333
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:08,440
know I realize that technology is is

1334
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:10,240
definitely challenging a lot of those

1335
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:12,610
those freedoms but you know technology

1336
00:49:16,170 --> 00:49:14,110
might also give us a lot of freedoms as

1337
00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:16,180
well so I'm you know if you're

1338
00:49:18,750 --> 00:49:17,590
interested in my can and see how you can

1339
00:49:19,870 --> 00:49:18,760
write me an email or check out my

1340
00:49:21,970 --> 00:49:19,880
website or whatever

1341
00:49:23,529 --> 00:49:21,980
is but I'm definitely all-in with the

1342
00:49:27,849 --> 00:49:23,539
running for governor in California now

1343
00:49:31,210 --> 00:49:27,859
as Jerry is Jerry done as he running

1344
00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:31,220
also ya know Jerry is done he's reached

1345
00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:33,230
his term limit the main candidate is his

1346
00:49:37,569 --> 00:49:35,390
lieutenant governor Gavin yeah we used

1347
00:49:40,059 --> 00:49:37,579
to be the mayor of San Francisco yeah

1348
00:49:42,789 --> 00:49:40,069
and you know there are other candidates

1349
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,799
out there too most of them most of

1350
00:49:46,509 --> 00:49:44,480
strength in California is from Democrats

1351
00:49:48,579 --> 00:49:46,519
but there's a few other Republicans some

1352
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:48,589
you know to be honest - I don't think I

1353
00:49:53,999 --> 00:49:50,569
stand much chance of winning a lot of

1354
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,009
what my platform is is to represent

1355
00:49:59,170 --> 00:49:56,240
radical science and technology and to

1356
00:50:00,880 --> 00:49:59,180
not let candidates go you know through

1357
00:50:02,890 --> 00:50:00,890
this entire process without asking the

1358
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:02,900
tough questions I like to direct a lot

1359
00:50:06,940 --> 00:50:04,880
of my op eds and articles to them and

1360
00:50:08,769 --> 00:50:06,950
say why are you talking about automation

1361
00:50:10,569 --> 00:50:08,779
you know don't just talk about Social

1362
00:50:12,759 --> 00:50:10,579
Security and taxes like it's gonna be

1363
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:12,769
here forever we you know different ways

1364
00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:14,930
of life are about to embark on that's

1365
00:50:19,930 --> 00:50:17,630
about to happen you know as politicians

1366
00:50:21,970 --> 00:50:19,940
it so upset me that Hillary and

1367
00:50:24,339 --> 00:50:21,980
president Trump during the presidential

1368
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:24,349
debates never discussed radical science

1369
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:27,440
never discussed AI never discussed some

1370
00:50:31,870 --> 00:50:28,730
of the some of the more important

1371
00:50:33,970 --> 00:50:31,880
concepts so I'm I'm trying to bring that

1372
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:33,980
to the forefront as a science candidate

1373
00:50:38,259 --> 00:50:35,569
and you know I'm lucky that my publicity

1374
00:50:40,059 --> 00:50:38,269
keeps growing so I'm well I might not

1375
00:50:42,670 --> 00:50:40,069
win this time maybe I will next time all

1376
00:50:47,380 --> 00:50:42,680
right well just one one last question if

1377
00:50:49,870 --> 00:50:47,390
you don't mind the the driverless car do

1378
00:50:52,990 --> 00:50:49,880
you think there's going to be some type

1379
00:50:54,849 --> 00:50:53,000
of pushback in the government or type of

1380
00:51:01,150 --> 00:50:54,859
rate regulations that'll make that not

1381
00:51:04,420 --> 00:51:01,160
happen easily I do I do not I think the

1382
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:04,430
driverless cars one is one that all the

1383
00:51:10,509 --> 00:51:08,930
taxi you know you know the taxi move of

1384
00:51:12,940 --> 00:51:10,519
the trucking movements things like that

1385
00:51:15,009 --> 00:51:12,950
lobbyists they're gonna be fighting but

1386
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:15,019
they're not enough in numbers to what

1387
00:51:19,900 --> 00:51:17,930
the driverless industry is going to do

1388
00:51:22,029 --> 00:51:19,910
in terms of economic terms you're

1389
00:51:24,249 --> 00:51:22,039
talking about entirely brand new cars

1390
00:51:26,490 --> 00:51:24,259
it's all the offshoots it's all the new

1391
00:51:28,450 --> 00:51:26,500
types of roads all the new types of

1392
00:51:31,690 --> 00:51:28,460
mechanisms that are going to be needed

1393
00:51:33,790 --> 00:51:31,700
that actually make this more I think

1394
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:33,800
important economically that

1395
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:36,110
drivers are going to be replaced even if

1396
00:51:39,730 --> 00:51:37,730
ten million drivers get replaced in

1397
00:51:42,010 --> 00:51:39,740
America it's not going to offset what

1398
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:42,020
the economic boom is going to be from a

1399
00:51:46,750 --> 00:51:45,200
driverless car industry and I think

1400
00:51:48,970 --> 00:51:46,760
ultimately that's going to sway Congress

1401
00:51:51,070 --> 00:51:48,980
to say well this will provide more jobs

1402
00:51:53,290 --> 00:51:51,080
and more economic benefit than the loss

1403
00:51:54,460 --> 00:51:53,300
of jobs we'll find you other jobs at

1404
00:51:56,650 --> 00:51:54,470
least that's what they're gonna say

1405
00:51:57,940 --> 00:51:56,660
so I don't think Congress they're gonna

1406
00:51:59,230 --> 00:51:57,950
fight it some people are gonna say you

1407
00:52:00,910 --> 00:51:59,240
know for their constituents you know in

1408
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:00,920
New York City of course the taxi

1409
00:52:06,310 --> 00:52:02,960
lobbyists are so powerful what not but

1410
00:52:08,380 --> 00:52:06,320
in real terms a lot of the public you

1411
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:08,390
and I the amount of time we're gonna

1412
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:10,250
spend working in our cars instead of

1413
00:52:15,460 --> 00:52:12,770
spent traffic that's gonna be so much

1414
00:52:18,310 --> 00:52:15,470
more productive for the American economy

1415
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:18,320
and also from paying more taxes then you

1416
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,240
know whether a taxi driver a truck

1417
00:52:24,460 --> 00:52:22,640
driver loses their job so I think

1418
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:24,470
Congress won't give it too hard at a

1419
00:52:27,250 --> 00:52:25,730
time what they're really going to be

1420
00:52:29,380 --> 00:52:27,260
important is being important is the

1421
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:29,390
safety factor but like I said the safety

1422
00:52:34,990 --> 00:52:31,910
so far shows that drive those cars is

1423
00:52:36,430 --> 00:52:35,000
far far safer so um you know and I think

1424
00:52:38,290 --> 00:52:36,440
it's gonna be far more efficient you're

1425
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:38,300
gonna the new age of driverless cars is

1426
00:52:43,210 --> 00:52:40,970
gonna be amazing because you know we

1427
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:43,220
grew up having to fight traffic and I go

1428
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:45,110
out my road I thought every morning wait

1429
00:52:47,950 --> 00:52:46,610
for the red lights all these things when

1430
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:47,960
you're in there reading your paper or

1431
00:52:52,030 --> 00:52:49,730
already working in your office which is

1432
00:52:54,430 --> 00:52:52,040
in a car yeah you know or you're doing a

1433
00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:54,440
podcast from a car and that's that's

1434
00:52:57,130 --> 00:52:55,700
gonna be brilliant I think a lot of

1435
00:52:58,840 --> 00:52:57,140
people underestimate how much our

1436
00:53:01,180 --> 00:52:58,850
productivity levels are going to rise

1437
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:01,190
because a driverless car just on a

1438
00:53:06,310 --> 00:53:05,090
personal level excellent I in and I just

1439
00:53:08,350 --> 00:53:06,320
want to say there's also all these other

1440
00:53:10,660 --> 00:53:08,360
functions you know you send your kids in

1441
00:53:12,340 --> 00:53:10,670
the driverless cars to go to schools you

1442
00:53:14,380 --> 00:53:12,350
don't have to be with them you know that

1443
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:14,390
the car drops them off there's so much

1444
00:53:18,190 --> 00:53:16,310
about robotics that a lot of people miss

1445
00:53:20,140 --> 00:53:18,200
you know already with the new Tesla's

1446
00:53:21,550 --> 00:53:20,150
you can call your car to get you so if

1447
00:53:23,140 --> 00:53:21,560
you have mobility issues and you're

1448
00:53:25,150 --> 00:53:23,150
getting out of a restaurant but your car

1449
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,160
is parked four blocks away you call it

1450
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:27,200
to you I mean people forget the kind of

1451
00:53:30,460 --> 00:53:28,490
convenience that's gonna come from

1452
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:30,470
having this little this vehicle that

1453
00:53:35,350 --> 00:53:33,680
just listens to every command so I was

1454
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:35,360
just actually gonna say something about

1455
00:53:41,710 --> 00:53:37,490
Tesla because I know you know they're

1456
00:53:44,290 --> 00:53:41,720
manufactured out your way but the cars

1457
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:44,300
that come out now are all set up so they

1458
00:53:48,849 --> 00:53:46,910
can be upgraded to

1459
00:53:51,099 --> 00:53:48,859
just through a software to be a

1460
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:51,109
driverless car is they were set up that

1461
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:53,210
way with the cameras are already you

1462
00:53:58,240 --> 00:53:56,480
know I I saw one locally and the guy was

1463
00:53:59,859 --> 00:53:58,250
telling me all about it so within a

1464
00:54:01,059 --> 00:53:59,869
couple years when that technology is

1465
00:54:03,069 --> 00:54:01,069
approved and everything

1466
00:54:06,339 --> 00:54:03,079
the Tesla cars that are built right now

1467
00:54:08,349 --> 00:54:06,349
are going to be driverless oh yeah oh

1468
00:54:09,940 --> 00:54:08,359
yeah I mean it's at this point is just

1469
00:54:10,839 --> 00:54:09,950
gonna be upgradable stuff you know

1470
00:54:12,279 --> 00:54:10,849
you're just gonna do through the

1471
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:12,289
internet like we do it on our iPhones

1472
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,510
and every every few months it'll

1473
00:54:17,410 --> 00:54:16,160
probably just get safer and better and

1474
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:17,420
more efficient and more function right

1475
00:54:23,980 --> 00:54:20,480
hey thanks so much can you actually say

1476
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:23,990
your website one more time sure um if

1477
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:26,569
your viewers it's a Zoltan Istvan calm

1478
00:54:32,049 --> 00:54:30,079
that's zo l ta n is TV am calm

1479
00:54:34,660 --> 00:54:32,059
but I'm also a columnist for a number of

1480
00:54:36,819 --> 00:54:34,670
places vice Wired Newsweek and all these

1481
00:54:38,380 --> 00:54:36,829
other places I write articles for so you

1482
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:38,390
can just google my name to find out

1483
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:41,210
about me as well so there's a lot of fun

1484
00:54:44,109 --> 00:54:42,410
stories that I've written on all the

1485
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:44,119
topics we raised excellent thanks so

1486
00:54:48,940 --> 00:54:45,680
much it's been a real real pleasure

1487
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:48,950
really enjoyed it absolutely it's been a

1488
00:54:54,099 --> 00:54:51,010
great pleasure to talk to you take care

1489
00:54:56,609 --> 00:54:54,109
thank you so much alright everyone thank

1490
00:55:00,970 --> 00:54:56,619
you so much for listening and watching

1491
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:00,980
on YouTube and next week we're gonna be

1492
00:55:07,420 --> 00:55:04,730
back with Bill Hall and he's gonna be

1493
00:55:11,260 --> 00:55:07,430
talking about the Bridgeport poltergeist

1494
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:11,270
should be a fun show so again I want to